Exchange and SQL backup on SBS (WinNT)

Hi.
I'm looking for and information how to backup Exchange (configuration and
data), SQL (configuration and data) and user accounts (password, SID,
configuration,...) with native tools on WinNT 4 (ntbackup, copy,...)?
I don't have tape drive. I would like to use an network server to store data
(so backup to stream which I will later redirect) or to a 'disk media'. Is
it posible to use ntbackup for those purposes? If not ... can ntbackup fit
my needs in combination with tape drives?
What about restore of those data in case of disaster (I guess that I have to
reinstall windows, but do I have to do any configuration or will it be done
by the backup)? What about restore a past state of data on a 'running'
system and/or testing backups (I realy don't want to realize that my backup
are unusable when I will need to restore data after the disaster)?
Is there any other 'free' tool to backup those data or is there a simple
procedure to use copy and/or native MS API to do mentioned tasks?
Does anyone know of a free tool like tar, that know how to handle ACLs and
posibly alternate data streams?
Regards,
DezoDamir... first off you posted to about 7 different newsgroups when only
one was needed. SBS. okay... I'm not certain what version of SBS you
have? If you have SBS 2000 and especially now with SBS 2003, the
NTbackup included is very adequate.
Do you have SBS 4.5? or a later version of SBS.
Scheduling Backups in Windows NT 4.0:
http://www.techtutorials.com/tutorials/nt/ntbackup.shtml
I know that the new ntbackup in SBS2003 can back up to a mapped drive
location and thus you can use an external usb harddrive or other
alternative location... I honestly cannot remember if the NTbackup back
in those NT4 days did this [I don't think it does]
SBS2k3 gives way more options and alternatives including volume shadow
copy and is a more robust system. Windows NT and 2000 both have issues
with Short file name issues whereas SBS2k3 is much better at handling
this issue.
Damir Dezeljin wrote:
> Hi.
> I'm looking for and information how to backup Exchange (configuration and
> data), SQL (configuration and data) and user accounts (password, SID,
> configuration,...) with native tools on WinNT 4 (ntbackup, copy,...)?
> I don't have tape drive. I would like to use an network server to store data
> (so backup to stream which I will later redirect) or to a 'disk media'. Is
> it posible to use ntbackup for those purposes? If not ... can ntbackup fit
> my needs in combination with tape drives?
> What about restore of those data in case of disaster (I guess that I have to
> reinstall windows, but do I have to do any configuration or will it be done
> by the backup)? What about restore a past state of data on a 'running'
> system and/or testing backups (I realy don't want to realize that my backup
> are unusable when I will need to restore data after the disaster)?
>
> Is there any other 'free' tool to backup those data or is there a simple
> procedure to use copy and/or native MS API to do mentioned tasks?
>
> Does anyone know of a free tool like tar, that know how to handle ACLs and
> posibly alternate data streams?
>
> Regards,
> Dezo
>
>
--
"Don't lose sight of security. Security is a state of being,
not a state of budget. He with the most firewalls still does
not win. Put down that honeypot and keep up to date on your patches.
Demand better security from vendors and hold them responsible.
Use what you have, and make sure you know how to use it properly
and effectively."
~Rain Forest Puppy
http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/txt/evolution.txt|||> Damir... first off you posted to about 7 different newsgroups when only
> one was needed. SBS.
Sorry for this. I guess that all the posted groups were somehow colegated
with the question, because I'm not looking for all_in_one tool (so not
necesary ntbackup). I'm realy sorry to spaming you ... I will try to avoid
posting to so many groups in the future.
> Do you have SBS 4.5? or a later version of SBS.
Yes ... I'm using SBS 4.5 running on WinNT 4.0
> SBS2k3 and VSS
I also know that SBS 2003 can do snapshots. This solves a problem with e.g.
open files, but doesn't completly resolve the problem of backups
(application should suport VSS and flush all data to HDD so that the backup
is consistent). For older version of windows there are some other snapshot
tools available (e.g. a good and chip solution is VolumeSnapshot from
StorageCraft).
I'm trying to implement the backup in a company with limited budged so there
is no way to upgrade to SBS 2003. I think that there is no problem for
doing SQL backup (just do some sort of databases lock and than dump all
databases to file(s) ). The major problem is backing up user accounts and
Exchange data. As I know user acounts are stored in the registry and
exchange data are stored in more files. So I don't know if is it posible to
make an 'cold' backup (reboot to an completly diferent OS and only copy some
files to another location - how about restore)?
Regards,
Dezo|||Back in the NT4 and even still the 2k days ... we have a huge issue with
SFN [short file name] issues so that if you do a "bare metal restore"
you will have issues with the OS and will need to stick the SBS cdrom
back in and "refresh" the OS.
There are some backup scripts in these links..
Google Search: ntbackup group:*smallbiz:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ntbackup+group:*smallbiz&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=E413AF64BB5ED211A62100A02498E40E08D47E%40pdc-know.knoworries.nl&rnum=2
Google Search: ntbackup group:*smallbiz:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ntbackup+group:*smallbiz&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3bbeb201%240%2422652%24afc38c87%40news.optusnet.com.au&rnum=6
And how to dump out sQL so it can be backed up.
Google Search: ntbackup sql group:*smallbiz:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ntbackup+sql+group:*smallbiz&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=Ov4PaWec9GA.215%40uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net&rnum=1
You know what I would do? Get a used tape backup from e-b-a-y I don't
think you will be able to back up to non tape locations...
Damir Dezeljin wrote:
>>Damir... first off you posted to about 7 different newsgroups when only
>>one was needed. SBS.
> Sorry for this. I guess that all the posted groups were somehow colegated
> with the question, because I'm not looking for all_in_one tool (so not
> necesary ntbackup). I'm realy sorry to spaming you ... I will try to avoid
> posting to so many groups in the future.
>
>>Do you have SBS 4.5? or a later version of SBS.
> Yes ... I'm using SBS 4.5 running on WinNT 4.0
>
>>SBS2k3 and VSS
> I also know that SBS 2003 can do snapshots. This solves a problem with e.g.
> open files, but doesn't completly resolve the problem of backups
> (application should suport VSS and flush all data to HDD so that the backup
> is consistent). For older version of windows there are some other snapshot
> tools available (e.g. a good and chip solution is VolumeSnapshot from
> StorageCraft).
>
> I'm trying to implement the backup in a company with limited budged so there
> is no way to upgrade to SBS 2003. I think that there is no problem for
> doing SQL backup (just do some sort of databases lock and than dump all
> databases to file(s) ). The major problem is backing up user accounts and
> Exchange data. As I know user acounts are stored in the registry and
> exchange data are stored in more files. So I don't know if is it posible to
> make an 'cold' backup (reboot to an completly diferent OS and only copy some
> files to another location - how about restore)?
>
> Regards,
> Dezo
>
--
"Don't lose sight of security. Security is a state of being,
not a state of budget. He with the most firewalls still does
not win. Put down that honeypot and keep up to date on your patches.
Demand better security from vendors and hold them responsible.
Use what you have, and make sure you know how to use it properly
and effectively."
~Rain Forest Puppy
http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/txt/evolution.txt|||In news:eNx$HjJkDHA.2140@.TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] <sbradcpa@.pacbell.net> wrote:
> Back in the NT4 and even still the 2k days ... we have a huge issue
> with SFN [short file name] issues so that if you do a "bare metal
> restore" you will have issues with the OS and will need to stick the
> SBS cdrom back in and "refresh" the OS.
I did a restore of my server (SBS 2003) as a test. The server has several
non MS tools installed including ISA server. I deleted my Raid 5 array,
created a new one, booted from the first CD, did a full directory restore
including all files, folders and drives. The server was up and running in
about 1 hour.
No issues with SFN at all.
--
Mariette Knap
http://wwww.smallbizserver.net|||When I said the 2k days ...that's SBS 2000. As Jeff has posted... [and
I'm forgetting his write up as it's now off this newsserver] but the
issues are resolved in 2k3
Mariette Knap [SBS MVP] wrote:
> In news:eNx$HjJkDHA.2140@.TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
> Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] <sbradcpa@.pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>Back in the NT4 and even still the 2k days ... we have a huge issue
>>with SFN [short file name] issues so that if you do a "bare metal
>>restore" you will have issues with the OS and will need to stick the
>>SBS cdrom back in and "refresh" the OS.
>
> I did a restore of my server (SBS 2003) as a test. The server has several
> non MS tools installed including ISA server. I deleted my Raid 5 array,
> created a new one, booted from the first CD, did a full directory restore
> including all files, folders and drives. The server was up and running in
> about 1 hour.
> No issues with SFN at all.
>
--
"Don't lose sight of security. Security is a state of being,
not a state of budget. He with the most firewalls still does
not win. Put down that honeypot and keep up to date on your patches.
Demand better security from vendors and hold them responsible.
Use what you have, and make sure you know how to use it properly
and effectively."
~Rain Forest Puppy
http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/txt/evolution.txt|||You can backup Exchange from any W2K machine on your network.
XADM: Files Needed to Perform Exchange NT Backup on Workstation
PSS ID Number: 181445
Damir Dezeljin wrote:
> > Damir... first off you posted to about 7 different newsgroups when only
> > one was needed. SBS.
> Sorry for this. I guess that all the posted groups were somehow colegated
> with the question, because I'm not looking for all_in_one tool (so not
> necesary ntbackup). I'm realy sorry to spaming you ... I will try to avoid
> posting to so many groups in the future.
> > Do you have SBS 4.5? or a later version of SBS.
> Yes ... I'm using SBS 4.5 running on WinNT 4.0
> > SBS2k3 and VSS
> I also know that SBS 2003 can do snapshots. This solves a problem with e.g.
> open files, but doesn't completly resolve the problem of backups
> (application should suport VSS and flush all data to HDD so that the backup
> is consistent). For older version of windows there are some other snapshot
> tools available (e.g. a good and chip solution is VolumeSnapshot from
> StorageCraft).
> I'm trying to implement the backup in a company with limited budged so there
> is no way to upgrade to SBS 2003. I think that there is no problem for
> doing SQL backup (just do some sort of databases lock and than dump all
> databases to file(s) ). The major problem is backing up user accounts and
> Exchange data. As I know user acounts are stored in the registry and
> exchange data are stored in more files. So I don't know if is it posible to
> make an 'cold' backup (reboot to an completly diferent OS and only copy some
> files to another location - how about restore)?
> Regards,
> Dezo
--
Corrections are welcome.
Please keep all discussions in NG, so that everybody can participate.
Kirill